Jony Ive, who helped design products like the iPhone and iMac, worked closely with Steve Jobs for more than 10 years until the Apple co-founder's death in 2011.

We find out from Ive that Altman is a “rare visionary.” We hear from Altman that Ive is “the deepest thinker over anyone [he’s] ever met.” We’re told by Altman that Ive’s design firm is the “densest collection of talent that I’ve ever heard of in one place and probably has ever existed in the world.